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Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:32:39 -0000

Nice, Less. Thanks for the smile ... ; o )

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

less — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:29:14 -0000

' course Nortel invrariably conjures an image of the panhead screw: http://www.jensonusa.com/pr...

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:40:48 -0000

Thanks.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

less — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:48:52 -0000

With less ex Nortel employees able to see their docs its improved indeed...

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

less — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:24:14 -0000

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Brazil/Sao Paulo (1)
India/Bangalore (6)
India/Gurgaon (2)

Cue the collective whimper of submission symbolizing all them other telecoms.

90,000/9 ten years ago maybe wasn't all that, but, buddy, 30,000/9 has seen the hiring ratio increased threefold within a year.

30% is a bad number when Cisco uses it by sucking that much more juice from all nations' power grids than their conscientiously leading competitor, Nortel.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:28:48 -0000

Yep, Zero provided the missing piece to the "Greed Knows No Bounds" Jigsaw puzzle.. he seems to have been just the right fit..

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:25:32 -0000

I'd replace the cocky "This is old-school Nortel stuff" pitch with "Avaya recognized its value to customers and decided to support this product and its ongoing evolution together. We, Avaya employees, stand behind our Avaya products."
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Yes, agreed.. well isn't this exactly what did happen? Whether it was a prudent move by Avaya remains to be seen, but they certainly do intend to bring value and build on a future ~ a new concept for Nortel employees , current and ex, to contemplate.. if they so choose.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

less — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:17:24 -0000

Call me cynical but I don't see much value in sales touting "she's still a Chrysler under the hood" either.

http://www.autoblog.com/200...

I'm curious as to how sales intends to justify them should a scant few of these new but already-proven-superior Nortel products handle like, say, Windows Vista by Microsoft, the recognized global leader in OS?

Will they wax nostaglic, blaming inferior namebrands Avaya, Ciena, etc. for diluting their Nortel product, for lacking the expertise to evolve it and therefore jealously treating it like a bastard stepchild? Surely not.

Ah, sure, blame Avaya for your job loss.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Darth_Zman — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:30:15 -0000

water off a ducks back for a sales guy....

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

NortelEmp — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:26:23 -0000

In the documentary "By the People: The Election of Barack Obama " there is a long close-up on a Nortel phone.

Bet the Nortel marketing folks have no idea.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

zeroman — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:27:32 -0000

a day in infamy Dec 7, 2009.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

zeroman — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:24:50 -0000

there maybe some sales people who work hard at getting customers. but there are also many who only are trying to show a lot of orders in the pipeline to transition to the new company to keep these going.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

zeroman — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:21:46 -0000

shuffling through the revolving door.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

justcurious2 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:16:59 -0000

Actually, this ain't over till it's over works for baseball because you can continue scoring forever as long as you don't get the 3rd batter out... However, if you're playing hockey or football, it is a run against the clock....

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Still_waiting — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:48:12 -0000

Or like a hail Mary pass from your own 40 yard line with no time on the clock and 4 points down. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Just saying.... America loves an underdog .......

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Nortelian — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:45:14 -0000

Oh no, you've claimed to be a CVAS sales rep. You've just lost all credibility with protosphere!

I agree with you though. CVAS customers are buying and those that haven't have been waiting patiently on the sidelines for some certainty around the business. Contrary to what many on this board would say, our carrier voice customers have been & continue to be loyal, not dropping like flies as many would claim.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Nortelian — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:54:14 -0000

Cite Avaya all you want. I work on the carrier side of the business. You're the one at a loss my friend because you're out of touch with it. I have a global ID, and have worked in NT sales since the 80's. Still there. I change my Norpass pwd twice a year and file my expenses via EVS weekly. If I gave you my name you could look me up in OSM. Oh, and I just made my 2010 benefit selections using employee self service.

You know nothing of what our carrier customer's sentiments are. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that Nortel does not work through resellers in the carrier voice business. We sell direct and maintain long established customer relationships.

You behave like a troll who has never been face to face with a customer. My customers aren't dropping like flies. My customers have been patiently waiting for a stalking horse bidder to be announced. There is pent up demand for Nortel carrier voice switching that will be realized once the bidder & auction dates are announced.

You seem to like to paint all of Nortel with the same broad brush, ignoring the distinctions between carrier, enterprise, and corporate functions. Doesn't really matter how many posts you may have on AAN, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the carrier business. Doubt my status as a sales employee of Nortel all you want..... makes no difference to me.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Darth_Zman — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:05:42 -0000

CVAS as pointed out on some comments is a viable business. I work for CVAS in sales. My customer is buying new solutions, new software, strategies based around this for 2010 and beyond.

Why? Pragmatism. My customer and those around the globe know that CVAS is going to stay around whether I go in with a Nortel Business card or some other label I will still be selling and showing my customers how they make money from our market leading solutions.

I hope the buyer who buys CVAS recognises the products, the people and most of all our loyal customers.

Our software release messaging, products solutions, wins are business as usual (maybe not made simple) - keeping customers loyal.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

NortelTragedy — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:10:41 -0000

Harley-Davidson motorcycle engine from '48-'65 ...

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

NortelTragedy — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:08:20 -0000

I know at least three admins going to Ericsson ... zero technical, engineering or operations experience. Others are old CVAS managers with no wireless experience, much less CDMA. It's all who one knows. E/// has much to learn about what they've purchased.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

whopperscan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:02:42 -0000

Yeah that's Enterprise... where sales do continue, although a much lower levels that before chapt 11. To be fair, it's a credit to those involved that they could win sales at all. But nevertheless, they are Enteprise... high volume, relatively low value, high cost in needing large numbers of staff, low profit...

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

Nortel watcher — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:59:14 -0000

Once some of our folks transfer over to the buyer companies like E///, Avaya, etc. it will be interesting to learn how salary levels look before and after assuming the same job title is maintained.

I think NT folks going to Avaya will likely see lower offers than those going to E///.

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:58:48 -0000

What IS a panhead?? =)

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:56:13 -0000

What is all this talk about recent sales, customer demand, blah blah blah.. who cares? It's ridiculous. It's over Folks.. Move -on, stop grasping at pathetic statements , whoever they may come from, press, customers, aliens, etc.
Less- i trust your outlook in general, do you really think anything constructive can or will be gained from talking up an all but defunct extinct dinosaur of a company, or am i being cynical?

Re: It Ain’t Over, Til It’s Over

GoProto — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:48:07 -0000

Dec 7th.. isn't that Pearl Harbor Day??