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Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

fdyson — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:22:44 -0000

Not the only 40g coherent.

See Discovery Semiconductors http://www.chipsat.com/products/coherentsystems...

(this is 10gbaud DP-QPSK, so it scales to 40gbit)

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

protosphere — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:30:58 -0000

"So I don't know why you keep saying CDMA is in steep decline."
did you see 25% less orders last Q208? CDMA accounts for almost all their earnings!

Never mind China where they buy lionshare in their own backyard and most of NT's business is in North America.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT...

Analyst George Notter at Jefferies & Company Inc. in San Francisco calculated that Nortel's wireless business produced operating profit last year of $911-million (U.S.). The main driver was its gear for a digital cellphone technology known as CDMA (code division multiple access), which generated between $746-million and $774-million in operating profitability.

Even if Nortel is first to get LTE to market, the technology is unlikely to match CDMA for profitability. Mr. Notter describes Nortel's CDMA business as a "gravy train,"

http://www.cbc.ca/money/moneytalks/2008/04/andr...

"Nortel growing its revenue stream in the single-digits in 2008 and 2009, but will see the disproportionate amount of profit coming from CDMA, an area that should experience declining revenues over the next few years."

"even potential customers, to question whether the company will be around five years from now."

Nortel’s revenue and profit come almost entirely from sales of wireless software and equipment based on an aging technology known as C.D.M.A.

CDMA is generating nearly 200 per cent of Nortel's operating income

Unfortunately for Nortel, this cash cow is going out to pasture within the next few years.

the company forecast its CDMA revenues to decline at 4% per year between 2007 and 2011.
But in the second quarter the CDMA business fell 10% year over year. In other words, in 12 months it fell almost as far as Nortel had expected it to fall over 2.5 years

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Clint — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:43:11 -0000

NT just recently won a CDMA contract in China that estimates put between 600 and 800 million. There will also be another announcement in the new year for another win most likely. CDMA is exploding in china. Huaweii are getting most of the pie, but their QOS
is horrible and they will overwhelmed which will open the door more for current CDMA players like NT, Alcatel etc.
So I don't know why you keep saying CDMA is in steep decline. They are flat and not growing..but not in a steep decline. Just wait on China.
They are not done announcing I am sure.
NT will likely sell of CDMA anyway.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

protosphere — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:41:49 -0000

Not too much indicated in the traditionally polite and dispassionate commentary by analysts and the media. However, one analyst said he expects them to be severely restructured or sold by Christmas. Another admitted many analysts have just thrown in the towel.

No one knows for certain when because insolvency has not formally forecast by traditionally optimistic Nortel yet. They are trying to sell another key division. We see increased red flags like Moody's warning, Altzman score is outrageously high, increasingly commentary towards this end after struggling so long losing money selling asssets and printing paper to live another day, reflected in the stock price which is now half when they last neared folding, etc..

I would guess by Christmas and I fear their Q3 results will not do them no favors either, especially if they come in even wore than they forecast. Not that they have a great forecasting track record calling $20 a buy just last Aug/07. They also have a poor track record with acquisitions buying revenues. As they sell UMTS, or try to MENs revenues if they are lucky enough to get a buyer which I doubted from inception contrary to popular belief at that time.

Also, I would like to take this opportunity to state for the record I most certainly do not wish any ill will towards their good employees as Clit accuses here, that's fabricated slander and just outright mean spirited. Quite the contrary, I do not like the ongoing layoffs the endless suffering induced by this company on so many lives. Their endless contradictions are sure to foster and fuel staunch criticism. I take no great pleasure personifying the company as a turd and not their good employees.

This company has displayed an endless comedy of error, or some real bad luck since even heads prevailed, with endless aspirations failing, and now time has run out selling assets and printing paper to live yet another day to prolong the inevitable to now catalyzing their death spiral to zero now.

Now, cash cow gravy train CDMA accounting for almost all their earnings has commenced steep decline after already losing money for a decade where I believe this has become past the point of return. I hope I am wrong but I have not been so far.

So, I believe we will get their making front page for the final time, besides the fraud trials, sometime this year as they eagerly try to sell MENS for much needed cash to put more coal in their employees stockings with layoffs. We'll see, this Canadian saga is beyond interesting stuff, it is outright unbelievable. I think a lot more would have been better off if they folded at 43 cents presplit. This 3 to 5 year plan doesn't seem like it is doing ongoing terminated employees shareholders 90% later any favors let alone customers who just might go on strike all at once. It's a car wreck, perhaps worth more in parts than whole, but who wants even parts of them now?

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

NewBlue — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:07:04 -0000

"Unfortunately, replacing the heads won’t solve the problem. A new leader will kick everyone of Z’s hires (read: all senior managers) and would insists on bringing a whole new crew. That will take a year to complete; Nortel has no more than 6 months..."

However, keeping the heads isn't going to solve anything, either. This is the proverbial rock and a hard place.

Replacing "Z" does one huge thing: psychologically it represents an acknowledgement his plan is not in Nortel's best interest and that a change is coming. At that point, the next step becomes crucial and must be done quickly and efficiently: replace him with a known, competent industry CEO, easier said than done.

There are only two replacements that need to occur immediately: Hackney and Roese. Again, if competent replacements are put in place then the turnaround can begin in earnest. No wholesale replacements; it's unnecessary and would be tremendously destabilizing rather than helpful.

Optimum? Not by a long shot, but better than the alternative if Nortel hopes to continue as a major player in the telecomm industry.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

exnt2 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:51:15 -0000

Its a done deal.

Optical to Huawei, Cisco or Fujitsu. Likely latter two.
Enterprise to IBM.
Wireless CDMA to Ericsson.
Services will be broken up tied to products. NOCs etc will be sold off to India BPOs

This will bring in enough to retire debt, pay out exec severances and shareholders to end the business.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

A Close Observer — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:04:41 -0000

I'd like to nominate Jonathon Schwartz as NT's new CEO. (May not solve NT's problem, but it would solve another problem.)

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Wondering — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:20:16 -0000

How soon must MEN be sold before NT has to pull out and close the doors?

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

puddintane — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:15:16 -0000

"In Six Sigma, a defect is defined as anything that could lead to customer dissatisfaction.
Lean manufacturing or lean production, which is often known simply as "Lean", is the practice of a theory of production that considers the expenditure of resources for any means other than the creation of value for the presumed customer to be wasteful, and thus a target for elimination.

-Transportation (moving [of] products that is not actually required to perform the processing)
-Inventory (all components, work-in-progress and finished product not being processed)
-Motion (people or equipment moving or walking more than is required to perform the processing)
-Waiting (waiting for the next production step)
-Overproduction (production ahead of demand)
-Over Processing (due to poor tool or product design creating activity)
-Defects (the effort involved in inspecting for and fixing defects)"

When and where I worked at Nortel this boiled down to CYA via countless e-mails, and further e-mail verfications thereof, then cut-and-pasted into myriad documents and action logs at every step, so each these neatly recorded tasks could be e-mailed on up the pipe and analysed.

E-mail is "green" as it generates no paper waste. Duly noted. But it didn't seem to improve customer satisfaction. Neither did removing office light bulbs to save everyone money.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Clint — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:42:14 -0000

I suppose nothing is impossible.
Everyone has reason to be pessimsitic about NT but it seems proto has a real death wish for them and the employees over there and I just don't get that?

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

puddintane — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:32:53 -0000

Yeah, that secret society, and all, secretly running things secular in a cyncial seven year cycle...

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

less — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:21:50 -0000

"So confident am I that I'll wager all my Nortel stock on it."

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Nortel watcher — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:19:54 -0000

Clint,
I remember when Proto was calling for a 70% drop in the pps several times over the past 3 yrs and, sure enough, the stock got there each time eventually. Proto's made comments about CDMA being a mature business for Nortel and its consequences months before analysts reiterated the same.

Keep up the valuable commentary and insight that you've been providing here but on this particular one, I just think you should toss that banana in another direction.

Just maybe BK won't be so farfetched after all since its very possibility as well as liquidity constraints are some of the drivers for a Nortel breakup and/or sale.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Observer — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:10:45 -0000

The economy is a dead man walking.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

broadbandbill — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:29:51 -0000

Clint,

Let me remind you of few former giants that had billions in revenues: AMC, Burroughs, Compaq, DEC, Lehman, Lucent, Novell, Merrill and many other former giants that today are nothing more than mere business schools’ examples of what not to do! Good to Great or Good to Great, Previously. History is never wrong!...--bb

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Clint — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:26:42 -0000

Photo...you are dead wrong.
The company is still a giant..9 to 10 billion per year in sales with huge installed bases.
You don't really know what you are talking about.
Sure you've made predictions that a monkey could make based on the state of affairs etc. but to insinuate there will be BK or a liquidity crisis?
Nope. Dead wrong there lad.
You'll see.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

broadbandbill — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:21:07 -0000

ANW,

I appreciate your optimism but Avaya’s team hasn’t changed much and they don’t have the pressing issues Nortel does. To paraphrase an old saying: “Nortel is in triage but the surgery was successful” --bb

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

jokerr — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:28:17 -0000

eDC is very good, but the real differentiator is the PMD tolerance of nortel's 40G.. Any differentially decoded solutions have very low PMD tolerance, and compensation is very tough since it's statistical. I don't know what'll happen to WDM-PON, I'm sure it's the MEN folks working through the kinks in R&D though. Nortel & AT&T published a joint paper in OFC on the strong pmd tolerance of the 40g modem, it was impressive... 50ps mean, and up to 120ps peak. I don't know enough of other parts of NT's business to comment on it.. but I believe the lead in this 40g coherent solution will last for quite sometime.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Nortelhand — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:08:32 -0000

Unless something big happens soon, Nortel will be forced to close it's doors. Or should I say stiff the common shareholders in a reorganization. The only other thing Mike Z could do is sell the company and try to get some of the shareholders money back, don't hold your breath on that.

The only people Nortel has made money for is Mike Z and his team and the shorts. I hat to see what has happened, but that is the facts.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Another Nortel Watcher — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:14:22 -0000

bb - It would be brutal, but I believe there are people who could step in to replace MZ and achieve a lot in 6 months. I think an aggressively executed 30-60-90 plan could set the course and then I think there could be visible sign of movement against the direction in the subsequent 90 days. So even if your view of the time challenge is accurate, I think it could be done. Not all the problems need to be solved. Restoring confidence is the most important priority and that can be achieved to a large degree by clarity of strategy, something that is still unclear to this day with MZ and his team.

The reason I think this could be achievable is related to my stipulation that the replacements must know what they're doing and must be known and proven entities in Nortel's market segment. This would enable speed of execution and speed of management restructuring. Kind of like what Charlie Giancarlo is in progress with at Avaya right now.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

protospherical1 — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:52:04 -0000

It is unwinding alright, after years of struggle to now declining orders, assets, cash, outlook, credibility etc... it is endless. Hence this is the way I see it panning out:

- Metro Ethernet network (MEN) business can not and will not be sold for any price / no one wants it
- CDMA that accounts for almost all their earnings in steep decline can not be sold either / no one wants it
- Enterprise business won't compete in a market dominated by Cisco where no competitor has even come close with this great of a lead

They will not be able to afford paying debt let alone afford even more layoffs as the stock hits the $1 ranges (10 cents pre- extreme-reverse split), with an escalated decline in cash revealed by Nov 6th's Third Quarter results, that is even worse than Nortel's forecasts yet again.

Customers will go on strike all at once fearing they will not be around next year.

...and lastly, we get that formal announcement of a liquidity crisis before Christmas drawing fears to conclusion while materializing this increased anticipation as of late.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

broadbandbill — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:05:18 -0000

Unfortunately, replacing the heads won’t solve the problem. A new leader will kick everyone of Z’s hires (read: all senior managers) and would insists on bringing a whole new crew. That will take a year to complete; Nortel has no more than 6 months to do the following triage:

1. Sell MEN for cash in a global market where cash is king (actually czar).

2. Clearly articulate its wireless strategy (which continues to move towards the non-achievable).

3. Articulate a NEW enterprise-centric strategy that MUST include a clear demarcation with IBM and Microsoft, which are currently partners but will be vicious competitors in this space (These guys make Cisco look like a choir boy from North Carolina).

4. Achieving #2 & #3 while occupied with #1 plus current environment takes more time than Nortel has. FOR THE RECORD, I SINCERELY HOPE THEY DO THE IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! --bb

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

commentor — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:29:40 -0000

Take it easy. My facts are still valid.
Actually, what I meant is exactly what you mentioned but was not clear when I typed it. What I wanted to say is that every vendor claim they have a solution (either use eDCO or use old DCMs). 40G is not a long term differentiator as many vendors claim they will have it in 2009 or the year after. 100G any vendor can claim they can demo it but customer are in watching mode for now.

I think we both agree that the most advacned vendor in 40G and DCO is Nortel and we should also agree that the only value MEN brings to any buyer is exactly that, 40G and eDCO, but for another year or so. This is what led me to beleive that Huawei may not be interested in MEN except for foot print.

My questions on WDM PON are also valid. It is not clear what will happen to WDM-PON once the MEN talent is sold.

Other things I wrote about SOA are facts and it was very clear during many trade shows that SOA development at Nortel is focused and limited to Sametime/WebSphere.

jokerr, thanks for the reply.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

Nortelhand — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:38:25 -0000

I would like to see someone make numbers for that Psychiatrist also. Mike Z sure has not taken care of shareholders.

Re: Nortel: Dead Man Walking?

The Psychiatrist — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:21:52 -0000

Seeing as everyone is confident that Nortel will end up being sold off in parts,does anyone have any ideas what the collective value of these sold parts(deferred tax credits included) ,if they do get sold will be for shareholders?